tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5148972.post8012738724806427764..comments2023-09-15T09:56:16.253-03:00Comments on Composing: Composinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01739889615635395138noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5148972.post-50956682196598381352007-04-01T04:41:00.000-03:002007-04-01T04:41:00.000-03:00Kaunda : I agree with you about the "How to cope w...Kaunda : I agree with you about the "How to cope with people who are religious and convinced of their own righteousness yet oblivious to their own cruelty?" question.<BR/><BR/>It's disturbing.<BR/><BR/>Does this *invalidate* the idea of making moral judgements? I don't think so. Sometimes people are convinced that what they're doing is morally right, but it turns out that they're wrong. At the same time, sometimes people are convinced that their column of figures adds up to $74.98 but they turn out to be wrong. That doesn't invalidate arithmetic.<BR/><BR/>But, yeah, the mob is getting less and less funny. I'm also reading some fairly over-simplistic and misleading versions of this story turning up in the wider media. So I'm starting to feel <EM>some</EM> sympathy for the Mean Kids.<BR/><BR/>OTOH, not that much. I'm still quite disappointed that Locke, <A HREF="http://allied.blogspot.com/2007/03/just-few-words.html" REL="nofollow">Sessum</A> and Lemur seem to be so self-righteous about the whole thing. Like it would really hurt them to have to admit that anything they participated in was over-the-top or that Sierra might have really been upset and that they could feel sorry about that.<BR/><BR/>The new Dave Winer <A HREF="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/03/29/notLookingForSympathyOrAny.html" REL="nofollow">post</A> <BR/>says a lot of sensible things. That, yes, you don't want a "code of conduct" or a witch-hunt, but you do want people to notice, and members of the community to stand up and say when they think one person is mistreating another. <BR/><BR/>But I'm mystified that having spent the last 10 years telling everyone that the blog lets you control your own words and give your side of the story rather than be misrepresented by others; he thinks it's better that someone who feels victimized shouldn't talk about it themselves, but should get a third person to do it for them.Composinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739889615635395138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5148972.post-47280273159117254362007-03-29T16:34:00.000-03:002007-03-29T16:34:00.000-03:00I think you're an excellent reader of human behavi...I think you're an excellent reader of human behavior! Yes I agree with you the computer hacking excuse seem highly improbable.<BR/><BR/>This Katha Sierra story has escaped well beyond the realm of technologically-oriented bloggers. I read a education blogs and philanthropy blogs and it's making the round there. <BR/><BR/>Being in Bush America is tougher than you imagine. How to cope with people who are religious and convinced of their own righteousness yet oblivious to their own cruelty? <BR/><BR/>I know I'm reacting oddly to a situation where common decency and apologies are in order. But the piling on over this issue does worry me. "Right-thinking" people can indeed be very scary.John Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17126222842766191343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5148972.post-70064879838115254922007-03-29T09:14:00.000-03:002007-03-29T09:14:00.000-03:00Look. I'm not claiming to be a good judge of human...Look. I'm not claiming to be a good judge of human nature. I'm pretty lousy at reading people.<BR/><BR/>And, I really don't like the witch-hunt aspects. But in the places I'm reading I don't *see* much witch-hunt. Don Park may be. But Dave, Doc, Mitch Ratcliffe, Shelley, Liz etc. all calling for calm reflection and worrying about mob mentality and talking about identities being stolen.<BR/><BR/>The worst I see from the witch-hunters is calling for a fulsome apology from people involved. Which, to my mind, shouldn't be too hard to come up with.<BR/><BR/>Of course, I may be doing a terrible injustice to the people involved but I can't help thinking like this :<BR/><BR/>If you were the sort of person who wanted to steal an identity, hack into a site and post a picture of, say, Naom Chomsky with a noose around his neck, would you do it on Little Green Footballs or Daily Kos? <BR/><BR/>You see what I'm saying? There's no *point* in doing it on LGF. <BR/><BR/>Mean Kids was (allegedly) *already* a vitriolicly anti Kathy Sierra site. Is it likely someone *stole* an identity in order to be able to post even more extreme anti-Sierra stuff there?Composinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739889615635395138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5148972.post-48133465700096909082007-03-29T01:52:00.000-03:002007-03-29T01:52:00.000-03:00"My betting is that some of the quite heavy stuff ..."My betting is that some of the quite heavy stuff really *was* from A-Listers, getting carried away with the prank in an environment where the consequences weren't obvious. And all the equivocation now is failure of courage to own up to that."<BR/><BR/>If your betting, my hunch is it's a good bet. <BR/><BR/>I think that people getting carried away "playing" or acting out is a part of online conflicts. But so many of the conflicts I encounter are people being their own selves.<BR/><BR/>Doc Searls says: "If Alan is right, everybody on this giant thread has been taken for one of the oldest rides in the park." Like you, I'm skeptical, as easier solutions seem far more probable.<BR/><BR/>Either way, I'm troubled that most of the discussion deals with exceptional rather than ordinary conflicts. My betting is that the roots of this follow familiar patterns of ordinary online conflicts that we all have to navigate.<BR/><BR/>Some of the most nettlesome problems collaborating online ironically are caused by "awfully nice" people. <BR/><BR/>On a social network I engage in, there's a poster who's quick to scope things out and minces few words about the deficiencies. But overtime I've noticed her judgment is uncommonly good. I can't say enough nice things about her. There is another poster who does so much good stuff, but takes too much of what the first poster says as personal criticism.<BR/><BR/>Boring details, but damn, it's personal dynamics like this that get in the way of productive collaborations.<BR/><BR/>The trouble is the poster who in my estimation is clearly off-base in her grasp of the reality of the situation is also part of a cadre of crusaders to make everything safe at the social network. It's an old story, but the "road to hell is paved with good intentions."<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/03/27/chorusOfCowardice.html" REL="nofollow">Dave Winer's</A> piece hits some of the right notes: A mob of do-gooders is a mob nonetheless.<BR/><BR/>The posts that Kathy Sierra is reacting to are unacceptable, as is a slew of utterly vile speech online. But as the discussion turns to what to do about that, Winer's comment: "I'll tell you what -- the mob that's going after them looks a lot more dangerous than they do." really resonates with me.John Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17126222842766191343noreply@blogger.com